{"id":26640,"date":"2026-04-08T17:08:16","date_gmt":"2026-04-08T15:08:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/evolute-institute.com\/?p=26640"},"modified":"2026-04-08T20:08:24","modified_gmt":"2026-04-08T18:08:24","slug":"talking-about-coaching-psychedelics-podcast","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/evolute-institute.com\/fi\/guest-appearance\/talking-about-coaching-psychedelics-podcast\/","title":{"rendered":"Talking About Coaching &amp; Psykedeelit Podcast"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"26640\" class=\"elementor elementor-26640\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0afc664 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"0afc664\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ac636f7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-html\" data-id=\"ac636f7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"html.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"evo-ep-hero-v5\">\n  <style>\n    @import url('https:\/\/fonts.googleapis.com\/css2?family=Montserrat:wght@200;300;400;500;600;700&display=swap');\n \n    .evo-ep-hero-v5 {\n      --teal: #114B4D; 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The episode explores preparation, intention, surrender, the fine line between coaching and therapy, and why working in a field of practitioners matters more than any certification.\n    <\/p>\n\n    <div class=\"evo-meta-block\">\n      <p class=\"evo-meta-title\">Resources Mentioned<\/p>\n      <ul class=\"evo-link-grid\">\n        <li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Matter_with_Things\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Matter With Things \u2014 Iain McGilchrist<\/a><\/li>\n        <li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/How_to_Change_Your_Mind\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">How to Change Your Mind \u2014 Michael Pollan<\/a><\/li>\n        <li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Beginning_of_Infinity\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Beginning of Infinity \u2014 David Deutsch<\/a><\/li>\n        <li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.hoffmaninstitute.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Hoffman Process<\/a><\/li>\n      <\/ul>\n    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href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=730\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">12:10<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">The Impact of Psychedelics on Personal Development<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=911\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">15:11<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">Integrating Psychedelics into Coaching Practices<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=1084\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">18:04<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">Navigating Intentions in Psychedelic Experiences<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=1261\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">21:01<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">Creating Safe Spaces for Psychedelic Work<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=1448\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">24:08<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">The Importance of Intentions<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=1639\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">27:19<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">Preparation<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vZgWE9A1GKk&t=1793\" class=\"evo-ts-row\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-time\">29:53<\/span>\n        <span class=\"evo-ts-label\">The Balance of Intention and Surrender<\/span>\n      <\/a>\n      <a 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